He rejects 1. Any form of Had Prescribed Punishment , 2. Hadith to be direct 3. Had for an Apostate Murtad 5. To me he is somebody new in the picture and controversial. But if he is a student of Maududi, then he should be somewhat in his senses, because Maududi was a scholar and quite a learned man. Otherwise, Ghamdi as a person seems to be a good man and a soft and humble natured man. His approach is not aggressive. We should refrain ourselves and instruct others to refrain from the writings, speeches and programs of Javed Ahmed Ghamdi who is the head of Al Mawrid Institute Lahore, Renaissance, Understanding Islam, Islamic Issues ets.
The gentleman and his affiliates are deviants to the extreme of rejecting the Nasoos of the Quran let alone the Hadith. Any form of Had Prescribed Punishment , 2. Hadith to be direct 3. Had for an Apostate Murtad 5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer 6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible 7.
Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed 8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal 9. Ghamidi has special interest in Asma Jahangir and Qadinyanis much of whose ideology is reflected in his articles.
The aim of this posting is to request all members not to fall into the traps of Ghamidi. At present he is being fully supported by the Qadiyani Lobby against the Hudood Ordinance. Ghamdi does not claim to refute the status of Hadith directly yet he takes it a stage further ahead and categorizes hadith as something from which Ahkaam Rulings cannot be drawn and only Quran is the orignal source.
According to Ghamidi the ruling on Qital Killing a Person when he becomes a Murtad Apostate doesnot apply to present times. Burhan, by Ghamidi. Ghamidi says that this Hadith has been misinterpreted by all the Ulemas for years wherein the meaining of Umoom Generality has been taken at large. Therefore he concludes that a person cannot be executed if he decides to change his religion from Islam because there is no evidence of it in Quran and Sunnah.
He calls them the Shabistan Shibli of Knowledge and hails them as the reformists of this time. According to Ghamidi this group of people Deobandis are like an old building with rotten foundations that will become empty by itself through passage of time. Ghamadi enjoys special company with Robert Spencer and Danielt Pipes. What is interesting is that Ghamdi and his associates particularly Moiz Amjad have tried to defend Islam against the criticism of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer and have miserably deliberately failed!
In fact they have subscribed to the views of these two critics with special reference to the 7 Recitations of Quran, which according to Ghamdi and his teachers are practices of Juhul and have no place in Islam. Javaid Ahmad Ghamdi is just a child regarding the scholistic reading of Islam and Quran. So called intellectuals like Dr Israr, Modoudi etc missed the central focus of Quranic teachings while delving into Hadith stories.
Malik would u pls define the term Munkarin e Hadith,as according tomy knowledge imam Bukhari has rejected more than 6 lacs of Hadith while compiling his collection of Hadith. Ghamdi would like to establish a society who believe in Islam as a combination of Madhab and Deen in one step which is very impossible because of that these are both anti to each other.
He would like to become popular in the prevailing system and in modern society as well as in the youngsters like as Maulana Maududi. He would like to become a scholar at the level of Zakir Naik who has also pushed Islam back to years at the stage when the World was going near to real Islam. These are hinderances of Islam. Islam is a Challenge to Religion, this very statement is the essence of J. It is Deen the definition of which unfortunately cannot be articulated in a few sentences which Allah states as being made simple being a set evolving Universal laws as indicated by Quran.
It is by no means the Number 2 Islam which is in fact a religion, weaved and fabricated by the Mullahs traditionalist mentality. I hope someday we can set up our schooling system, the syllabus and the curricula around Islam as a deen, and of free interpretation that will lead our young to let go of religion and ritual and see Islam as a constitutional ideology, only adhering to which , which requires fulfilling ones potential as a human being and doing collective good for humanity and doing good towards the established system, will lead us to collective salvation.
At least he and his colleagues never use such language even for their most staunch opponents…. AOA All Well! Let me mention here that i am not from any sect i prefer to call myself Muslim and an unbiased seeker and student of Islam. I have read Mr. I believe he has tried to give them a real understanding.
I am living in Malaysia, where almost every girl wears Scarf, but at the same time she wears T-shirt and jeans.
Ghamidi Says regarding Hijab. As far as Hadood ordinance or Had is cocerned, again i suppose you need to read carefully what he says about these issues. The correct way to respond to any scholarly work is to respond with logic and careful and unbiased analysis. Knowledge does not care about emotions.
One has to accpet what is right and what is wrong wholeheartedly. And who will decide what is right and what is wrong? So i believe that every body of us who disagree with any scholar should not just say bad things about him, but should read and analyse his preechings and then respond to him. May Allah help and Guide us towards the right path. Assalamo Alaikum to all Well, I was in the state of accepting and denial that whether Ghamdi is a true scholar or not?
Me and my room mate are almost daily discussing things relating to Islam in which speeches by Ghamdi also come under discussion. I have very few questions which I would like to get answers from some one… I heard Ghamddi on many occasions but every time it happened that I had to stop after 5 minutes or before 5 minutes. Reason that there are so many things which even a common man who has very small knowledge of Quran, Sunnah and Ahadith will say that Ghamdi is not interpreting things as they are.
Even those things on which whole Ummah has no issue, Ghamdi is telling that his research is right and the whole ummah is wrong and was wrong from years. I am not saying that Ghamdi is saying things without any research, but how authentic his research can be when there are thousands of other schoalrs and reseracher who may have more knoeledge than Ghamdi say one thing and Ghamdi come out with another perspective of that thing. There are so many topics on which I saw Ghamdi moving away from actual things, like, Azabay Kabar, sangsar, beard Darhi , First revelation pahli wahi , Wajibiat of Khutbay Jummah, etc etc..
I will share them as I will recall them… On all aobove things, what I have researched so far, Ahadith are cleraly saying something different, Ummah is practicing what Ahadith saying, but the conclusion which Ghamdi took from hus researches is totally opposite t that thing… I will give u all the examples that what is being practiced by Ummah, what Ahadith say, and what Ghamdi says in my next message.
I am not in favor of Mr. H and his companions. There was a time when the entire world had an agreement that this earth was flat. AOA All! I will agree with Imran. Now as Ghamidi says that for any issue, we should first refer to Quran. Quran is also of the same view. Secondly, when we will refer to Hadith, we will interpret it in the light of Quran.
Secondly, we can not take one hadith about an issue and give our verdict. Rather we will take all the Ahadith on that topic and will see what actually is being said. Thirdly, because Haidth has a certain Context, so we will see that context as well. Thats what Ghamidi Says about all the issues. And for any logical sane person, this approach is right.
This is the difference between the conventional molvis and Ghamidi. Its not about the majority or minority, its about getting the truth.
May Alah Guide us to the right path Amen. A Correction in the above. Toes was written mistakenly, actually its Ankle Sorry for the mistake. May Allah show us the right path. You must be kidding me dude. The fact that he educates Military Leaders makes him a credible source of knowledge?
So I can judge the teachings of mr Tahir ul Qadri from this. Regarding, Mr Ghamidi, I have not read him much. It seems that Mr Ghamidi is a rationalisit i. In doing so, he is re-interpreting history based on his understanding of the scientific principles of life. I personally would not like that approach and if Ghamidi, like mutazilites from Abbasid period, really wants to be a rationalist then he should bring unequivocal proof for the existence of God in addition to bringing proof for the miracle of Prophet Muhammad where water flowed from between his fingers for his caravan in the midst of a scorching desert.
He first came for guiding Arabs and then the world. So we rather should be humble about our opportunity to achieve guidance from someone who was an Arab. So you want to maintain your culture? May I ask what type of culture are you talking about? Hinduism-influenced culture that pervades all the aspects of non-Arab pakistani culture? S and also that no one known as Hazrat Imam Mahdi. By the help of Allah I have published many papers in the high ranking scientific journals as a material scientist and having the opportunity to work in advanced countries.
For the last few years, I have also diverted my attention to learn more about our greatest religion Islam Quran sunnah read many books of our scholars and met many scholars in different countries. In my opinion Ghamdi is a great if not greatest scholar.
We should respect all scholars and should listen to them with open mind. Thank you. Yeah definitely agree with those who are saying that its our mistake that we are far away from the Arabic language which is aa necessity to learn for Muslims specially. If you all remember for the past or as most of the people quote it as years, any one in the world had to learn Arabic to gain the higher education — this was even the case for non-muslims.
History is an evidence for that. Because they never tried to look out of the box as majority are trying to explain here. The explanation where he rejected the fact that birds with stones in their mouth attacked on elephants mentioned in Sorah-e-Feel was for the verse whose translation is as mentioned below:.
I am not saying he is not a scholar but definitely I am against his preachings. Its not like he is trying to fit the Islam in modernism but because his explanations and research is baseless. Why they ruled the world with peace?
Were they not dealing with the latest challenges of the modernism? I am always amazed to see that how amazing this religion is which is perfect for all the times. Instead do your study and then come up with your thoughts and then we it would be for the benefit of every one. Does any one know how this ghamdi is funded?
His interpretations are true Quranic and real. I have read an article on a website about Eid Qurban which I reproduce below for benefit of all and also for comments. Muslims become a laughing stock of the world and waste billions of dollars every year when they slaughter animals, generally on streets. Slaughtering millions of animals on a single day grievously hurts the productivity of potential animal generations, an important food and industrial resource.
Blood sacrifice is strictly a Pagan and Biblical ritual supposed to please God. He does not prescribe it at all. Only camels may be slaughtered at Hajj, and only in Makkah for the pilgrims to host one another NAHR strictly refers to the sacrifice of a camel.
Does Allah play games with His servants? How much more Biblical can one get? I have a vision that I must give you to a life of test and tribulation for a Noble cause.
So look, what do you think? Do what you are commanded. God willing, you will find me of the steadfast. Also, note that slaughtering of a sheep or goat, by no means, can be considered a Momentous Sacrifice. Because it is the culmination of Hajj designed to be the Glorious Annual International Conference of all humanity to foster brotherhood, justice and equity among all nations, and devise ways to make this planet a better place to live.
Think of the United Nations with all its failures in justice and equity. How about United Mankind with Divinely directed morality, brotherhood and justice? Currently the high institution of Hajj has been reduced to a senseless ritual involving much chaos, waste of wealth and person with pagan activities going on. In fact, they must be allowed to come and witness the benefits of the unity of mankind.
Plssssssssssssssssss Study this book. Adress k model town Lahore. Office of Tanzee e islami. I had been reading from many non-Islamic sites before and was influenced by their criticism of Islam and Prophet Muhammad pbuh. These sites were using ahadith from sahih collections to prove their case and in those days I found myself in a very hopeless situation. I had even started entertaining thoughts of apostatizing. Their method of explaining things and the rationality in which the whole exegesis was rooted definitely helped me.
The doubts started to clear up and my iman started to grow. Their explanation of the difference between hadith and sunnah only made sense even though before I believed that the two terms were interchangeable.
I understand that people find this opinion of his very questionable but if only we knew the kind of irrational beliefs we would have to defend if we are to hold the traditionalist view we would surely have done what I did. But since most of us do not know what is there to be found in many sahih ahadith we just imagine that they must all be in conformity with the Quran. Please do not label someone as a kafir, a deviant etc.
It is available as audio files on one of his sites. I do not find any ofence in Mr. It is his own view which can not change Quran, Hadith or Sunnah of Prophet saws. What Mr. Ghamidi should do is to refer to Quran and Hadith more freely in his discourses. Recently while listening to his program about Hadith on Geo tv traditional question about Hadiths came up i. A simple statement could solve the whole issue for good and I am writing it down here for the benefit of all.
Instead show the attitude of a jeweler whose good pearls got mixed with fake pearls. He dose not throw them away but makes every effort to separate carefully good ones from the bad ones.
Still he dose not throw away the fake ones he has separated lest some reals ones he may not have missed. But there is a great concern about accapting him or dinail.
I think we need to be very carefull about the faith unless the traditional views are explained in the same manner as he did. Here I sould request him to find out their error. I pray for him to find the way if he is not intentionly miss guided.
Dear brother Assalamu alaikum. I will be very much thankfull to you. I am waiting now. I belong to India and my email address is anwarhyd yahoo. Assalamu alaikum, In my opinion, masha Allah you don a lot of spending for this subject. What about the al-Kashaaf: al-Zamakhshari, have you heard about his knowledge. Muslims of any madhab do the same respect of him but none of them agreed with his ideology perhaps a few, I never saw any.
I would say Zamakhshari do the least failure towards, but that time people were aware knowledge loving but not like us in identifying the true knowledge. My point is that muhammad sallallah e alihie wa aalehi wasalam was appointed to remind about need of unbiased learning and arabs being fair enough to grab the point. They responded towards the right direction-though after hard efforts of belivers- but u see this unbiased knowledge and learning brought the sweetest fruits for humanity.
Kindly promote the culture where we can claim that rule of allah is supreme in our education and learning. He never appeared in the movie. There is a history to it. Iqbal and Maududi all have been judged like Ghamidi by one or the other group.
Because we have few institutions that are credible enough to enjoy the respect of vast majority of Muslims, like patients in Pakistan place highly an advice of a doctor affiliated with college of phycisian CPSP. But there is nothing of this sort when it comes to Islamic expertise. So we need an highly credible institution.
Secondly, because… we consider ourselves more knowledgeable than Almighty. No, current discussion has ample evidence of this. Contrarily, the fact is that in academics reaching a wrong conclusion while trying to understand something is one thing and distorting the fact is another. Former, a mistake, is common occurance among scholars but later, a henious academic crime, fortunately rare. But but most unfortunately, we consider first possibility way much less as an option.
Many have considered source funding as measure of intensions. While a number of posts are good that they diagree on some firmer grounds but unfortunately many are judgemental and reject the conclusion instead of discussing the reasoning adopted by the scholar to reach that conlcusion. By the way most of the great people were persecuted or underestimated by the majority of the people of their times and later generations, after attaining sufficient maturity, realized their worth… so it is history cycle, we must not worry about it much… time will tell.
Ahmadis brought this belief for the firsttime in history of Islam. Secondly, the very reason ahmadis are decalred non-muslim was their stand on possibility of a coming of a non-law bearing prophet under Sharia e Muhammadi, without affecting finality of Prophet Muhammad. Ghamidi is very much supportive of this theory.
Does any one konw e-mail id of azeezullah bohio of sidh or does any one have books of azeezullah bohio except salat. O pai Quran men kahan likha hai ke hazrt Issa ko zinda asmanon pe utha liye.
Is Dr Israr se bra chariya koi nahin tha. Is tarha dunya men Islam phelao. Ghamdi sahib ka nazriya is ke bar aks tha, wo peacefully islam phelney ki baat kartey they.
Right way to do thing. Rahi jo log fitna ghamdia ki baat kartey hain, wo ziada tar tableeghi jamaat ke log hainya traditional mulla jin ki hobby hi doosrey logon ko daira e islam se baaher karna hai. In fact, We, the Pakistanis learn Islam mainly from our traditional Ulmas molvees who didnot realise us the spirit of Islam nor they create a true Islamic culture in our country.
Rather our religious leaders themselves indulged in extreme activities which created extremism and terrorism. Our religious elite never thought of improving our ethical values, tolerance and patience which are the basis of Islam. Have our traditional ulmas succeeded in reforming our society, the worst form of terrorism prevailing in present scenario would not be happened.
Ye naam nihad traditional mullah islam ke asal dushman hai jinhon ne apni taraf se hadeesen ghar ke logon ko ghalat rah pe daal diya hai. Quran se dur kar diya hai. Un ko apna mureed bana diya hai. No doubt, Javed Ahmed Ghamdi is the greatest scholar of the mordern era. He speaks with reason and reference. He presents Islam with reason.
He, with his writings and words, brings a lot of respect, not only for himself, but for his religion, his prophet and his book, but his opponents talk without any wisdom, reason, and they bring bad name to Islam, its prophet, and its book. May God give wisdom to the opponents of Ghamdi Sahib, and save Ghamdi Sahib from the blood-thirsty jaws of the extremist mullahs. In excitement, we lose the curiosity to distinguish and he seeks to regain the same.
Ghamidi universalizes Islam not by amending or altering it, but by presenting it the way it presents itself along with its spiritual, moral, historical text and context. He backs every bit with the very word we all hold sacred. His faith is far stronger than those who flaunt faith as a badge of piety. Wonder where lies the discord. The concept of religion for our preachers is dark and dreadful.
They leave no space to enter faith, Ghamidi leaves no space to exit. With their understanding of God, life is impossible. He is the axe of hope that cuts open the path through a frozen sea of ignorance and fear. That is why he matters. On religious issues, we are volcanic.
Even the coolest and the gentlest amongst us turn rough, violent and graceless — and that too in the name of God. Our intellectual discourse is no different from a street-talk where louder you go, nobler you become.
We like either mindless adulation or a rude assault and both ways we lose grace. So in a culture where the level of intolerance determines the level of faith, here is a man who respects even his detractors and engages with them with all decency. He radically disagrees with the philosophy of Syed Moudoodi, Syed Qutub and many religious thinkers, but expresses his profound respect for them. He shows how we disagree with grace, confidence and decency — the trait we are not familiar with.
When we fail in the argument we cast doubt, we throw fits, we invent motives and resort to the cheapest means to malign others. And here Ghamidi stands as an institution of grace. That is how intellectuals behave, that is what the spirit of knowledge teaches us and that is why he matters. Issues like beard, purdah , music, interest, women rights, statecraft, inheritance are to be studied in light of history, tradition and scripture.
He places things where they belong. He shows you the scene from within. Presenting religion by denying religion is easy. Courage is to stay rooted and show the things as they are, not as they have been passed down to us. Our problem is reverse. We finish before we begin. We scoop out a bucket or two from the ocean and conclude there is no whale in the sea.
Second, he is not alone in history to have said so. He does not twist the text as we think he does. I am not a Ghamidi follower as he doesn't ask me to follow him. Your post on Greater Kashmir has given him publicity beyond his imagination. He urges me to follow my own sense. Islamic rule is not to follow your senses but to give preferences to Khabar the revelation over Nazar what you see, that is the senses.
If you please. And if that makes me his fan by default, so I am and so be it. I take it as an honour. Javed Ahmad Ghamdi a public intellectual of Pakistan is a line of distinction between sense and non-sense. He has convinced people like you that our Ulama for fourteen hundred years were wrong and wasted time and energy in clarifying Islam and in twenty first century Pakistan a man was born who was half educated in theology and he changed the course of Islam for ever.
Unfortunately that is not going to be the case. Mr Ghamidi has changed his course so many times that in every publication of his Meezan he has to change his stand and by now he has started praising Hadith while his followers has not been informed by him categorically.
I wrote it once and I am writing it once more. Ghamdi is guilty of an unpardonable crime. Long live mediocrity. Or perhaps it is not criminal to push people away from Islam. Rasoolallah SAW said that follow the Deen brought by him while Ghamidi says that make your own interpretation of the Deen. The space is too small to explain the Ghamdi phenomenon. Hope that thinking is allowed, hope that life has a value and hope that silence of knowledge is still louder than the rants of ignorance.
So your hope stands belied. His unorthodox views about some contentious issues regarding religion, history, ideology and politics have given birth to many ideas and rendered many more dead.
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